For Your Convenience, an Avengers: Endgame Spoiler Discussion Zone

#1

as promised lets have the spoils go here…

EDITED by @Lala_Calamari because @valiantvictory likes to put SPOILERS in the first post.

Don’t worry, he’s got mop duty at the Glory Hole all weekend long as punishment!

#2

@valiantvictory should know not to put spoilers in the 1st post…

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#3

Can’t really say much about this one. I mean everything I know about time travel, Nebula should’ve disappeared in the present, after she killed herself in the past.

No, Stark specifically said bring back everyone as trhey were, but leave evrything that’s happened the same. So everyone that came back is as they were, but everyone that wasn’t snapped have aged 5 years.

That was Cap’s job, he was putting them all right where thay belonged. Makes sense and no sense. I understand putting them back, but wouldn’t that just put them back where they were and still possibly bring upon the sane troubles? The time stone will still bring us Doctor Strange, but the others? IDK, I’m, buying it though.

Everyone before the snap that died is dead. Now, up until yesterday I thought he may still be alive somehow, but I think he would’ve been there somehow if he was.

A severe good reaction, or bad reaction? I liked it, maybe teasing A-Force, or something similar.

Yeah, same.

#4

Yea super sorry if my spoiler thread actually did the opposite of the intent

Couple of thoughts…

I think the time travel in this is like sliders…every jump is an alt universe/timeline, Thanos said something about this…

Also the 5 year jump is very messy but important and it seems like general consensus is it’s all good so I guess it bothers me more than others

#5

Kid stared to cry after Iron Man died. I started to tear up myself. Iron Man is my favorite super hero and he was the first.

I was shocked at how little Captain Marvel was in movie.

The teenager at Tony’s funeral. Caps kid?

#6

I was wondering who that was also. Possibly his kid I guess.

As for time travel, all previous movies mentioned defines time as linear. What they are saying in this movie is that it is not. Can’t change what already happened but make a new version of the future.

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#7

so the stones are back in the old reality…so this is like the star trek reboot alt timeline argument?

#8

Teenager is Harley Keener who is the Kid from Iron Man 3.

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#9

@SoulTerror …that is a huge point…since we hear the hammer at the end…my question was who is it… Harley Keener seems like a likely heir to the throne …bravo!

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#10

Was driving me nuts so went to IMDB and then Google.

#11

Video host is chessy but goes into detail about the whole time travel plan.

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#12

Many earths theory…so if i want a super powerful army…I go back in time and get 100 Carol Danvers (I’ll get one, then go back 5 minutes and get another and another and so on)…and we are all set…I like this video as he believes, as I do that Loki, is alive…I feel there are 3 time travel arguments going on here…

  1. Quantum manipulation (ant man)
  2. multiverse/branch reality (bald chick from Dr. Strange) (Loki) (Nebula shoots herself)
  3. normal plain vanilla back to the future time mechanics (Steve Rogers)
#13

If you remember from the first Thor movie, when Odin banished Thor, he put a spell on his hammer saying “Who shallever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, he shall possess the power of Thor”. And since Thor is the god of thunder, it makes perfect sense that whoever wields it would have his powers.

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#14

ben stiller knowledge GIF

#15

I only saw This 1 and 2 once as they sucked. Ragnarok was great!

That explains that segment though.

#16

Nope, kid from Iron Man 3. SPeculation that he may become Iron Lad

#17

Apparently I should’ve kept scrolling before I answered @SoulTerror

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#18

…Well the directors disagree with me but, they are wrong


Does Cap go back to live in the past — or does he go and live in another dimension?

The directors say it’s the latter.

“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”

The brothers smile.

“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”

Also, they confirm — Bucky knew. When Cap was preparing to for the trip, which is only supposed to last a few seconds in the main timeline, his old friend from the Brooklyn days gives him a surprisingly heavy farewell.

Somehow, and it’s probably more than just intuition, he was aware that Cap was going to live in the past. “Especially when he says goodbye,” Joe explained. “He says, ‘I’ll miss you.’ Clearly he knows something.”

But how? Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems like that may be the case.

On the other hand, Joe adds, “Sam doesn’t know something.” Falcon has no idea about Old Cap, which is why The Winter Soldier urges him to go up and talk to the now-elderly Steve Rogers. Bucky already has the answer to the questions Sam is going to ask.

Maybe we’ll get our own answered in the streaming series called Falcon and Winter Soldier which is in the works for the Disney+ service.

“How does it feel?”

That’s what Old Cap asks Falcon after he gives him the vibranium shield.

“Like it’s someone else’s,” Falcon answers.

“It isn’t,” Cap tells him.

Does Rogers mean this as in, “it is yours now,” or is he telling the literal truth? After all, his shield was shredded by Thanos in the final battle of Endgame .

It’s possible in the timeline where Old Cap has been living that the shield he gave him actually belonged to that dimension’s Sam Wilson. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle.

If so, what became of that Sam, since the shield has now been brought to this timeline?

These are all valid questions, but we don’t have answers to them yet. It sounds like the Russos and the Marvel Studios braintrust have a plan to resolve them down the road.

The Captain’s Wife

Falcon notices the wedding band on Old Cap’s finger and asks if he’ll tell him about her. “No… no, I don’t think I will,” the old man replies.

We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one.

Still, many fans wonder if Steve Rogers didn’t find a way to make the timelines realign, allowing him to live in the shadows as Peggy’s “secret husband” who has been acknowledged but gone unidentified so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This seems unlikely based on the fact that the Russos said one of the outlying questions is “how is he back in this reality?”

Having him live quietly for decades in the prime reality also creates a lot of paradoxes: Why doesn’t he disrupt Hyrdra’s infiltration of SHIELD sooner? Why doesn’t he warn the Avengers about the coming alien invasion in 2012? Why doesn’t he interfere in all the major tragedies and conflicts that we know about?

Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don’t get to know any of it either.

Still, maybe we will. Marvel Studios has already broken new ground with interlocked storytelling, so perhaps the next experiment is tiered storytelling — alternate versions of familiar tales.

For instance, the whole “where did Cap go?” question could very well be answered in the animated What If series that Marvel is developing for Disney+, based on something it’s been doing in comics for a while.

The first announced title explores what would happen if Peggy Carter got the super-soldier injection. So … what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit?

MARVEL

What if, what if, what if …

At this point, unfortunately, all we can say about What If is “it’s possible” and “who knows?”

Making Old Cap

Another question some moviegoers have about this final scene is — was that really Chris Evans as Old Man Cap, or a lookalike who was actually elderly?

It was all Evans, created through a mix of prosthetics on his face and digital touchups to thin it all down.

“Obviously, if it doesn’t work perfectly, it can undermine the emotional intention of the scene,” says Anthony Russo. “We did a lot of practical effects, so it was a very elaborate makeup job that was then augmented with CG, because there’s certain things that you can’t do with makeup in order to make Cap credibly that age.”

For example, he added: “You can’t shrink Chris Evans’ neck on set, you know what I mean? He’s still got that yoke neck.”

“He’s still a muscular man,” Joe added.

“Yeah, so [CG helps] things that you can’t achieve, like the way the face drops,” Anthony said. “It’s a balance we want to always strike between making him feel credibly aged, but also not compromising the performance.”

Evans even managed to change his voice into a hushed rasp without any audio adjustments.

“We didn’t alter his voice at all,” Joe explained.

“We always say this about Chris — he’s so technically sophisticated as an actor and you can see it in that scene when he plays an old man,” Anthony added.

“Everything you’re seeing is exactly his performance, just with his face aged. That’s it,” Joe said. “We didn’t change anything about it.”

Just like the past, you can’t alter it too much or it becomes unrecognizable.

#19

Always a cluster fuck when they mess with time. I agree with Angry Joe and always hate when shows / movies mess with time. Mainly cause they use it as a get out of jail free card.

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#20

Right before Tony stark made the smart ass comment to Thor I wispered to Mrs KFK Thor looks like Labowsky.

I half expected to see a bong when Mick, Korg and Thor were drinking beers and gaming.

They had to somehow diminish Thor after he kicked Thanos’s ass in the first movie.